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    Is there a church in Long Grove Illinois?
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    There was a small white nondenominal church there years ago. Is it still there and how can I contact someone there regarding scheduling a wedding ceremony?

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    Start by checking their website longgroveonline.com. If you don't see a list of churches, you could contact them and ask them about the white church. Long Grove would be a wonderful place to get married! I think this might be the church you're looking for. Check http://www.longgrovecommunitychurch.org/ At the bottom of this link are a list of all the Long Grove churches. http://www.city-data.com/city/Long-Grove-Illinois.html

    What is the best way to travel long distances in Illinois?
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    I've never been to Chicago before, and I'll be traveling with kids. I need to go from Elk Grove Village to Great Lakes. Someone told me that taking a limo would be cheaper than a cab and way easier than the bus or train, is this true?

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    for in the city you can use this http://tripsweb.rtachicago.com/ to guide you around it will tell you the bus and train routs to get you there. I may suggest drive/walk/bike to O'Hare and then take the CTA Blue line to down town (bikes are allowed on all CTA trains and buses) all trans and buses are $2 a ride on CTA and if they are young age they can ride with a discount http://www.transitchicago.com/maps/fares.html http://www.transitchicago.com/

    How can I find someone who may have just graduated from Culinary School whose looking for an opportunity?
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    I am opening up a coffee franchise in the Long Grove area in Illinois around October this year and I am looking for someone who may have just graduated culinary school that would like the opportunity to sell their bakery items - I am even looking for sandwiches and salads that could be delivered to my shop. I would also advertise for them, they can have menus, or cards that we can hand out. I am looking for breakfast items also include some healthy , low fat versions, and some lunch options, such as salads and creative sandwiches - etc. I think its a great opportunity for someone who is just getting started just as I am.

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    Looking for a story I read about Bachlor's Grove...?
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    A few months back, I was reading about Bachelor's Grove Cemetary, in Midlothian Illinois when I came across a short story a man had written about the cemetary. The story consisted of him talking about visiting the cemetary as a child, and returning as an adult and it just wasn't the same. I remember thinking how great the story was written, but recently was not able to find it. I know it's a long shot...but has anyone else read this story, or what they believe to be the story? It'd be great to read it again. I'm sorry, that is not the story...but I truly appreciate your effort.

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    HEre is there website and history to it. Batchelors Grove History ---------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- The following was written by Brad L. Bettenhausen, President of the Tinley Park Historical Society The settlement at Batchelors Grove began as early as the late 1820s, with larger numbers of immigrants arriving in the 1830s and 1840s. The initial settlers were generally American "Yankees" of English, Irish, and Scottish descent, most of whom came here from New York, Vermont, and Connecticut. The second wave of settlers arriving from Europe, primarily of Germanic origin, began in the late 1840s and became the predominate nationality for immigrants to the area for better than the next fifty years. At the Methodist Conference held in Jacksonville, Illinois in 1832, Stephen R. Beggs of Walker's Grove was assigned the charge of the DesPlaines Mission, which included Batchelor Grove located twenty miles south of Chicago. This clearly indicated that some significant settlement had already occurred in this vicinity prior to 1832. A Gazetteer of Illinois by J.M. Peck (1834, second edition 1837) contains the following listing: "Bachelder's Grove, in Cook County, eighteen miles southwest of Chicago, contains about two sections of timber, and a large settlement." Most of the early settlement in this area occurred near timberlands which supplied materials for construction and where the grassland prairies were easier to break and cultivate. Most of the stands of timber in the area assumed the name of one of the early families that settled near them. In this vicinity, Walker's Grove, Gooding's Grove, Cooper's Grove, Blackstone's Grove are just a few of the timberlands named after individuals or families. As with these other groves, it is believed that this settlement was named from the family name of one of the early settlers near this stand of timber. Members of the Batchelder family are known to have been living in Rich Township by 1845, and it is extremely likely that Batchelor's Grove received its name from this family. According to the claims of Stephen H. Rexford, who settled at "the Grove" in 1833 or 1834, the settlement was named for a group of four single men (including himself) who settled there, and thus "Bachelors" Grove. Ferdinand Schapper's 1917 manuscript provides similar citing, noting: "About 1834 or 1833 several bachelors, among whom was Stephan {sic} H. Rexford, Eli B. Williams and possibly one or more of the Bartons settled there to perfect their titles for government land, as they were all single men and kept bachelors' hall, the place became known as Bachelors Grove. It is about four miles southwest of Blue Island." Schapper includes the names of about 60 individuals who he noted as settling in or near Batchelors Grove between 1833 and 1850. However, as previously noted, the Bachelor Grove name apparently was already in established use prior to the arrival of Mr. Rexford. Stephen Rexford established the first post office in the vicinity as Batchelor's Grove in 1843. The 1851 James H. Rees map of Cook and DuPage Counties also identifies the wood as Bachelor's Grove. Stephen Rexford was involved in the organizing and naming the township governments of Cook County in 1850. At that time, the former Bachelor's Grove post office was renamed "Bremen" by postmaster Samuel Everden in recognition of the new township name in which the post office was located. This post office again changed its name to Bachelder's Grove in 1855 at the request of postmaster Robert Patrick and was ultimately discontinued in 1858. The Bachelders Grove variation appears on an 1872 map of the area. From information gathered from early records and maps, the Batchelor's Grove settlement encompassed areas in northwest Bremen Township, northeast Orland Township, southwest Worth Township, and southeast Palos Township. Many of the early settlers to "the Grove" would later be instrumental in the establishment, growth, and development of Blue Island. In 1878, a post office was established as East Orland (after its location in the eastern portion of Orland Township) by Louis Groskoff {Groskopf} and covered a portion of the old Batchelor's Grove settlement. This post office was not far from Stephen Rexford's original 1843 post office location. In 1884, a post office named Goeselville was established by Christian Goesel, Sr. which replaced East Orland and operated until 1903. The Goeselville settlement centered around the vicinity of 147th Street and Oak Park Avenue (formerly known as Bachelors Grove Road, and also as a continuation of Ridgeland Avenue for a time). Both East Orland and Goeselville refer to areas that were previously known as Batchelors Grove. Interestingly, "Goeselville" can still be seen on many current maps, atlases, and gazetteers of the area. Also from its founding in 1859, Trinity Lutheran Church in Tinley Park, was known from time to time as the church at Batchelor's Grove. Photo courtesy of Sharon Coyle Although now inactive, Batchelors Grove cemetery is one of the oldest cemeteries in south Cook County. Its legal location description is 1 acre in the East 1/2 of the Northwest 1/4 of Section 8, Township 36 North, Range 13, East of the Third Principal Meridian (Bremen Township, Cook County, Illinois) Or, more simply, it is across from what is now called the Rubio Woods Forest Preserve on 143rd Street just East of Ridgeland Avenue. It is down a trail that was originally a section of the old Midlothian Turnpike that has been closed to vehicle traffic since the 1960s. According to Ferdinand Schapper's 1917 manuscript, Southern Cook County and History of Blue Island before the Civil War, the first burial in the Everdon's Cemetery at Batchelors Grove was that of Eliza (Mrs. Leonard H.) Scott in November 1844. However, the earliest death date noted in the newspaper "Pioneers In Peaceful Rest, Bachelor's Grove, One of First Cemeteries; Lies Serene, Undisturbed" that appeared in the Blue Island Sun-Standard published in Blue Island, Illinois on August 16, 1935, was that of William B. Nobles who died in 1838. The last burials to take place in the cemetery are believed to have been that of Laura M. McGhee in 1965, and Robert E. Shields in 1989 who was cremated and buried on the family plot. The first legal record of the cemetery occurred when Edward M. Everden sold his property in the area to Frederick Schmidt in 1864, reserving and setting aside one acre of the land for use as a graveyard. According to the 1935 newspaper articles, Fredrick Schmidt supposedly added additional property to expand the cemetery in subsequent years, however there is no hard evidence of any additions to the original acre. It is also mentioned in a response to the newspaper article "Pioneers In Peaceful Rest, Bachelor's Grove, One of First Cemeteries; Lies Serene, Undisturbed" stating, "Relatives of Mr. Everdon wish it to be made plain that the one acre or so of original cemetery was in existence prior to the Schmidt ownership." The 1864 deed and subsequent property transfers only indicate that the cemetery was one acre in size, neglecting to give the dimensions of the cemetery itself. A deed from 1909, where a portion of the Schmidt property was sold, provides some points of reference to the cemetery's legal description. The last "independent" cemetery trustee was Clarence Fulton of Tinley Park, whose family were early settlers of Bremen Township (arriving in 1844), many of whom are, or were, buried in the cemetery. After his death, a large plat map of the cemetery was donated by his family to the Tinley Park Historical Society which is believed to reflect who many of the burial lots had been sold to. A photocopy of a nearly identical plat map, with similar lot markings, was found in the files of the Cook County Real Estate Management Office. It is believed that both maps date to the 1870s. The photocopy map indicates that it was surveyed and drawn by Eugene Franklin McClintock, who was a grandson of Thomas McClintock, an early settler at Batchelors Grove. The original map at the Tinley Park Historical Society is also believed to have been drawn by Mr. McClintock. Both plat maps give the boundary dimensions of the cemetery, but no point of reference to its specific physical location. Additionally, another drawing was donated to the Tinley Park Historical Society by the Fultons, which showed a plan for a new cemetery entrance off of 143rd Street after the Midlothian Turnpike was closed to vehicle traffic in front of the cemetery in the 1960s. This plan was never executed, presumably because easement through the surrounding Forest Preserve property could not be obtained. Even before the closing of the Midlothian Turnpike, the cemetery was becoming a favorite hangout for area youth as a lover's lane and for drinking parties. Once the cemetery became further isolated with the closing of the road, vandalism of the cemetery accelerated. There has been evidence of satanic rituals and attempts at grave openings and robbings from time to time, particularly in the 1960s and 1970s. Desecration and vandalism of the cemetery reached a peak in the 1970s. Many stones were maliciously broken, defaced, spray painted, and stolen. It is believed that many of the missing stones have ended up at the bottom of the nearby quarry pond. In a newspaper article, Clarence Fulton indicated that grave markers were found in Maywood (Cook County Sheriff Police Headquarters), Evergreen Park, and even Chicago Police Headquarters. Whatever happened to these "recovered" markers is unknown. Mr. Fulton had noted that during those "turbulent" years, if they had been returned to the cemetery, they would only have been stolen again. According to Clarence Fulton's reminiscences, Batchelor Grove Cemetery was like a park, and you could fish or swim in the adjacent quarry pond. He noted that families would often go to the cemetery on Sundays and have a picnic while visiting their loved ones buried there. The cemetery still presents a peaceful park-like setting, and you can often find individuals fishing in the quarry pond. However, it is doubtful that you will find many who would be willing to swim in the murky waters of the pond, or choose to picnic in the isolated cemetery today. There are numerous tales of horror that supposedly occurred at the cemetery, that have been told and retold by several generations of youths, however, few of these tales have any apparent basis in fact. There are also a number of reports of hauntings, and apparitions in and around the area of the cemetery. Ghost watchers delight in these stories of a strange floating blue light, a brilliant zooming red light, a mysterious ghost house, phantom cars that appear and disappear, human ghostly apparitions, and other paranormal activities. However, here too, it appears that many of these reports have greater basis in local folklore than in verifiable occurrences. Periodically, families with ancestors buried at Batchelor Grove had the bodies moved to other cemeteries, that were more prestigious, closer to where they lived, or where there was more room for future family members. The cemetery's isolated location and the vandalism of more recent years also compelled some families to move relatives to other active cemeteries. The first known documented relocations date to the late 1880s. Some families, such as the descendants of John Fulton, Jr., have erected new cenotaph (memorial) markers at the cemetery where other family members are located (Zion Lutheran Cemetery, Tinley Park), leaving the ancestors and their remaining original markers at Batchelor Grove. The cemetery is now under the supervision and responsibility of the Cemetery Trustees (under the Real Estate Management Office) of the Cook County Board. The County Board was approached by an aged Clarence Fulton in the fall of 1975 to take charge of the care and maintenance of the old cemetery. Mr. Fulton had previously requested Bremen Township's assistance in caring for the cemetery in 1967, but had been turned down. Clarence Fulton indicated that there was a Bachelor Grove Cemetery Association, but no official record appears to exist for the organization. In researching the history of the legal title to the cemetery at that time, it was determined that title probably still rested in the hands of the descendants of Edward M. Everden, since no deed could be found for the cemetery itself and subsequent deeds and property transfers specifically excluded the one acre cemetery. After clarifying the legal description and boundaries of the cemetery and obtaining clear title through condemnation procedures, Cook County assumed responsibility for the cemetery in about 1976. Through intergovernmental agreements, maintenance of the cemetery is now shared with the Cook County Forest Preserve District. According to an unsubstantiated account, the Chicago Archdiocese of the Catholic Church has also provided some maintenance for the cemetery from time to time on behalf of the County in years past. In researching local area history, and the cemetery specifically, numerous variations on the spelling of the name of the Grove have been encountered. These variations include Bachelor, Batchelder, Bachelder, Berzel, Petzel, Bachlor, Bachellor, and Batchel. It is now strongly suspected that the original derivation of the name was from the family "Batchelder" who resided in the area at least as early as 1845. Although Bachelors Grove is the name currently used by the Cook County Forest Preserve District for one of its preserves at 143rd Street and Justamere Road, and the neighboring roadway (which is now gone), it is believed that the "Batchelor Grove" variation is most historically appropriate. It is the version used on the cemetery plat map in the collections of the Tinley Park Historical Society and the original plat for the Village of Bremen from 1853 (as the name of the road which is known today as Oak Park Avenue). Today, a section of the Cook County Forest Preserve (at 143rd Street and Justamere Road) bears the name Bachelors Grove in recognition of the early history of the area. The last remaining section of roadway known as Bachelors Grove Road, which ran between 135th Street and 143rd Street, was closed in December 1994. Cook County and the Forest Preserve District have followed through with their intended removal of the road, and another reminder of this piece of local history will completely disappear in time.

    Can you tell me anything you know about evolution, any one thing...that is true?
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    During a lecture at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981, prominent evolutionist Dr. Colin Patterson asked his esteemed audience of evolutionists this surprising question. Can you answer it? The only answer he got from the experts was silence. Patterson also tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of evolutionists, and all he got there was silence again - for a long time - eventually one honest person said, "I do know one thing--it ought not to be taught in high school." Cited in: Phillip Johnson, Darwin on Trial (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 1991), p. 10. Johnson says in the research notes of his book that Patterson's lecture was not published, but he had reviewed a transcript of it (p. 173). Furthermore, Patterson again stated the same position in an interview with journalist Tom Bethell (Bethell, "Deducing from Materialism," National Review, Aug. 29, 1986, p. 43).

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    Well to answer this question you must first understand that there are two types of evolution; Microevolution and Macroevolution. Microevolution occurs when a section of DNA is mutated through either corruption or mistranscription. Here's an example using a phrase to represent a DNA strand (I admit this is not 100% accurate as DNA is so much more complex but it will serve for this answer): Original DNA strand: The dog didn't bite the boy Transcription error: The hog didn't bite the boy This copy may in a benign or even possibly beneficial effect to the organism. Likewise it may result in a horrible mutation that may doom the organism to a painful early death. However the organism has now lost the original DNA strand and can no longer pass it on. Deletion error: The dog bite the boy This copy is missing information changing the original meaning and making it a jumbled mess. Once again multiple possibilities loom in the future of the mutated organism and the original DNA strand is lost. Microevolution has been observed by scientists and even creationists accept it as fact and use it as staples of their theories. All previously observed forms of evolution have been examples of microevolution. However microevolution doesn't and can't explain the leap from one creature, such as a fish, to another entirely different organism, such as an air breathing mamma. That would require macroevolution as I will try to explain as simply as possible below. Macroevolution is the addition of genetic information not found in the original DNA strand. For example: Original DNA strand: The dog didn't bite the boy Mutated DNA strand: The flying mer-dog didn't bite the boy This mutation requires for additional genetic information to be added on to the original strand, something which has never been observed in any living organism. While some claim that it is possible since scientists in labs have artificially inserted genetic material to DNA strands, it is important to note they were using pre-existing genetic information. The spontaneous formation of genetic information where none previously exististed defies known scientific laws that require energy to remain a constant, neither able to be created nor destroyed. Any competent evolution theorists will tell you this which is why it is still a theory and not a fact as some of the more uneducated individuals would have you believe. As evolution is still only a theory I find it the height of arrogance for any person to dismiss opposing theories, no matter how absurd, as non-science. This is even more true when you realize most scientific evidence is in opposition to macro-evolution, not in support of it. In short, micro-evolution is confirmed fact, macro-evolution is still no more then a flight of fancy. Regarding the fact that Spartina anglica evolved naturally from Spartina × townsendii; this was a process of microevolution, not macroevolution. Spartina anglica contained no new genetic information and in fact had less usable genetic information as pieces of it's DNA were now corrupted.

    what should i wear to school tomorrow?
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    i have a problem. ok, so i live in Buffalo Grove Illinois. my school is in Wheeling, and i'm pretty sure we have bout the same weather. i found 2 pages for the weather tomorrow, and their pretty much the same: http://www.wunderground.com/US/IL/Chicag... http://www.we ather.com/weather/local/600... heres my problem. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO WEAR TO SCHOOL 2MARROW! i'm in Middle School so we cant wear spaghetti straps, or mini skirts (it has to be at least mid-thigh) or any "over exposed skin" showing. I dont have to change for gym class tomorrow. i start school at 7:30am- 3:30pm. we have to dress so we can be up for anything (we go out side during lunch and i go crazy and break a sweat or two). so i was planning to wear a white tennis skort with a black laced spaghetti strap tank with a gray long sleeve (its light) with some shoes! HELP ME! is it ok, flirty? wut other type of things wud work too? omg! HELP!

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    Is this what we have to look forward to if Obama wins the Presidency?
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    CHICAGO - The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can’t afford to live anywhere else. But it’s not safe to live here. About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition. Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as the best replacement for public housing. As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year. But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies - including several hundred in Obama’s former district - deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable. Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted. Some of the residents of Grove Parc say they are angry that Obama did not notice their plight.

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    There are a lot of WILD people living in those housing projects. They are given a break and tear up the place. At least they tried, and I guess they'll try again, if for the sake of the children caught in the middle of all these dysfunctional families in the USA ghettos these days.

    how do u feel about the articles of faith lds church?
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    http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69 095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCR D&locale=0&sourceId=c26876e6ffe0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hide Nav=1 Gospel Classics: The Wentworth Letter By Joseph Smith Jr. (1805–44) Next > < Previous Print E-mail Joseph Smith Jr., “The Wentworth Letter,” Ensign, Jul 2002, 27 Spelling, punctuation, and capitalization modernized. Of this classic, Elder B. H. Roberts (1857–1933) of the First Council of the Seventy wrote: “The letter is one of the choicest documents in our church literature; as also it is the earliest published document by the Prophet personally, making any pretension to consecutive narrative of those events in which the great Latter-day work had its origin. … For combining conciseness of statement with comprehensiveness of treatment of the subject with which it deals, it has few equals among historical documents, and certainly none that excel it in our church literature.” 1 March 1, 1842.—At the request of Mr. John Wentworth, editor and proprietor of the Chicago Democrat, I have written the following sketch of the rise, progress, persecution, and faith of the Latter-day Saints, of which I have the honor, under God, of being the founder. Mr. Wentworth says that he wishes to furnish Mr. Bastow [Barstow], a friend of his, who is writing the history of New Hampshire, with this document. As Mr. Bastow has taken the proper steps to obtain correct information, all that I shall ask at his hands is that he publish the account entire, ungarnished, and without misrepresentation. I was born in the town of Sharon, Windsor County, Vermont, on the 23rd of December, a.d. 1805. When [I was] ten years old, my parents removed to Palmyra, New York, where we resided about four years, and from thence we removed to the town of Manchester. My father was a farmer and taught me the art of husbandry. When about fourteen years of age, I began to reflect upon the importance of being prepared for a future state, and upon inquiring [about] the plan of salvation, I [found] that there was a great clash in religious sentiment. If I went to one society they referred me to one plan, and another to another, each one pointing to his own particular creed as the summum bonum of perfection. Considering that all could not be right, and that God could not be the author of so much confusion, I determined to investigate the subject more fully, believing that if God had a church it would not be split up into factions, and that if He taught one society to worship one way, and administer in one set of ordinances, He would not teach another, principles which were diametrically opposed. Believing the word of God, I had confidence in the declaration of James—“If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him” [James 1:5]. I retired to a secret place in a grove and began to call upon the Lord. While fervently engaged in supplication, my mind was taken away from the objects with which I was surrounded, and I was enwrapped in a heavenly vision and saw two glorious personages, who exactly resembled each other in features and likeness, surrounded with a brilliant light which eclipsed the sun at noonday. They told me that all religious denominations were believing in incorrect doctrines and that none of them was acknowledged of God as His Church and kingdom; and I was expressly commanded “to go not after them,” at the same time receiving a promise that the fullness of the gospel should at some future time be made known unto me. On the evening [of] the 21st of September, a.d. 1823, while I was praying unto God and endeavoring to exercise faith in the precious promises of scripture, on a sudden a light like that of day, only of a far purer and more glorious appearance and brightness, burst into the room. Indeed the first sight was as though the house was filled with consuming fire. The appearance produced a shock that affected the whole body. In a moment a personage stood before me, surrounded with a glory yet greater than that with which I was already surrounded. This messenger proclaimed himself to be an angel of God, sent to bring the joyful tidings that the covenant which God made with ancient Israel was at hand to be fulfilled; that the preparatory work for the second coming of the Messiah was speedily to commence; that the time was at hand for the gospel in all its fulness to be preached in power unto all nations, that a people might be prepared for the millennial reign. I was informed that I was chosen to be an instrument in the hands of God to bring about some of His purposes in this glorious dispensation. I was also informed concerning the aboriginal inhabitants of this country [America] and shown who they were, and from whence they came; a brief sketch of their origin, progress, civilization, laws, governments, of their righteousness and iniquity, and the blessings of God being finally withdrawn from them as a people, was [also] made known unto me; I was also told where were deposited some plates on which were engraven an abridgment of the records of the ancient prophets that had existed on this continent. The angel appeared to me three times the same night and unfolded the same things. After having received many visits from the angels of God, unfolding the majesty and glory of the events that should transpire in the last days, on the morning of the 22nd of September, a.d. 1827, the angel of the Lord delivered the records into my hands. These records were engraven on plates which had the appearance of gold. Each plate was six inches wide and eight inches long, and not quite so thick as common tin. They were filled with engravings, in Egyptian characters, and bound together in a volume as the leaves of a book, with three rings running through the whole. The volume was something near six inches in thickness, a part of which was sealed. The characters on the unsealed part were small, and beautifully engraved. The whole book exhibited many marks of antiquity in its construction and much skill in the art of engraving. With the records was found a curious instrument, which the ancients called “Urim and Thummim,” which consisted of two transparent stones set in the rims of a bow fastened to a breastplate. Through the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift and power of God. In this important and interesting book the history of ancient America is unfolded, from its first settlement by a colony that came from the Tower of Babel at the confusion of languages to the beginning of the fifth century of the Christian era. We are informed by these records that America in ancient times has been inhabited by two distinct races of people. The first were called Jaredites and came directly from the Tower of Babel. The second race came directly from the city of Jerusalem about six hundred years before Christ. They were principally Israelites of the descendants of Joseph. The Jaredites were destroyed about the time that the Israelites came from Jerusalem, who succeeded them in the inheritance of the country. The principal nation of the second race fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century. The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country. This book also tells us that our Savior made His appearance upon this continent after His Resurrection; that He planted the gospel here in all its fulness, and richness, and power, and blessing; that they had apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists—the same order, the same priesthood, the same ordinances, gifts, powers, and blessings, as were enjoyed on the eastern continent; that the people were cut off in consequence of their transgressions; that the last of their prophets who existed among them was commanded to write an abridgment of their prophecies, history, etc., and to hide it up in the earth; and that it should come forth and be united with the Bible for the accomplishment of the purposes of God in the last days. For a more particular account I would refer to the Book of Mormon, which can be purchased at Nauvoo, or from any of our traveling elders. As soon as the news of this discovery was made known, false reports, misrepresentation, and slander flew, as on the wings of the wind, in every direction; the house was frequently beset by mobs and evil designing people. Several times I was shot at, and very narrowly escaped, and every device was made use of to get the plates away from me; but the power and blessing of God attended me, and several began to believe my testimony. On the 6th of April 1830, the “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” was first organized in the town of Fayette, Seneca County, state of New York. Some few were called and ordained by the spirit of revelation and prophecy and began to preach as the Spirit gave them utterance. And though weak, yet were they strengthened by the power of God; and many were brought to repentance, were immersed in the water, and were filled with the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. They saw visions and prophesied, devils were cast out, and the sick healed by the laying on of hands. From that time the work rolled forth with astonishing rapidity, and churches were formed in the states of New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri. In the last-named state a considerable settlement was formed in Jackson County. Numbers joined the Church, and we were increasing rapidly. We made large purchases of land; our farms teemed with plenty; and peace and happiness were enjoyed in our domestic circle and throughout our neighborhood. But as we could not associate with our neighbors (who were, many of them, of the basest of men, and had fled from the face of civilized society to the frontier country to escape the hand of justice) in their midnight revels, their Sabbath breaking, horse racing, and gambling, they commenced at first to ridicule, then to persecute, and finally an organized mob assembled and burned our houses, tarred and feathered and whipped many of our brethren, and finally, contrary to law, justice, and humanity, drove them from their habitations, who, houseless and homeless, had to wander on the bleak prairies till the children left the tracks of their blood on the prairie. This took place in the month of November, and they had no other covering but the canopy of heaven. In this inclement season of the year this proceeding was winked at by the government, and although we had warranty deeds for our land, and had violated no law, we could obtain no redress. There were many sick who were thus inhumanly driven from their houses, and had to endure all this abuse and to seek homes where they could be found. The result was that a great many of them, being deprived of the comforts of life and the necessary attendances, died; many children were left orphans, wives [were left] widows, and husbands, widowers; our farms were taken possession of by the mob; many thousands of cattle, sheep, horses, and hogs were taken; and our household goods, store goods, and printing press and type were broken, taken, or otherwise destroyed. Many of our brethren removed to Clay County, where they continued until 1836, three years; there was no violence offered but there were threatenings of violence. But in the summer of 1836 these threatenings began to assume a more serious form. From threats, public meetings were called, resolutions were passed, vengeance and destruction were threatened, and affairs again assumed a fearful attitude. Jackson County was a sufficient precedent, and as the authorities in that county did not interfere, they [the Clay County authorities] boasted that they would not [interfere] in this, which on application to the authorities, we found to be too true; and after much privation and loss of property, we were again driven from our homes. We next settled in Caldwell and Daviess Counties, where we made large and extensive settlements, thinking to free ourselves from the power of oppression by settling in new counties with very few inhabitants in them. But here we were [also] not allowed to live in peace, but in 1838 we were again attacked by mobs, an exterminating order was issued by Governor Boggs, and under the sanction of law an organized banditti ranged through the country, robbed us of our cattle, sheep, hogs, etc., many of our people were murdered in cold blood, the chastity of our women was violated, and we were forced to sign away our property at the point of the sword. And after enduring every indignity that could be heaped upon us by an inhuman, ungodly band of marauders, from twelve to fifteen thousand souls, men, women, and children were driven from their own firesides, and from lands to which they had warrantee deeds—houseless, friendless, and homeless (in the depths of winter) to wander as exiles on the earth, or to seek an asylum in a more genial clime, and among a less barbarous people. Many sickened and died in consequence of the cold and hardships they had to endure. Many wives were left widows, and children [were left] orphans and destitute. It would take more time than is allotted me here to describe the injustice, the wrongs, the murders, the bloodshed, the theft, misery, and woe that have been caused by the barbarous, inhuman, and lawless proceedings of the state of Missouri. In the situation before alluded to, we arrived in the state of Illinois in 1839, where we found a hospitable people and a friendly home, a people who were willing to be governed by the principles of law and humanity. We have commenced to build a city called “Nauvoo” in Hancock County. We number from six to eight thousand here, besides vast numbers in the county around and in almost every county of the state. We have a city charter granted us and [a] charter for a [military] legion, the troops of which now number 1,500. We have also a charter for a university, for an agricultural and manufacturing society; [we] have our own laws and administrators and possess all the privileges that other free and enlightened citizens enjoy. Persecution has not stopped the progress of truth, but has only added fuel to the flame. It has spread with increasing rapidity. Proud of the cause which they have espoused and conscious of our innocence and of the truth of their system, amidst calumny and reproach, have the elders of this Church gone forth and planted the gospel in almost every state in the Union. It has penetrated our cities; it has spread over our villages and has caused thousands of our intelligent, noble, and patriotic citizens to obey its divine mandates and be governed by its sacred truths. It has also spread into England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, where, in the year 1840, a few of our missionaries were sent, and over five thousand joined the Standard of Truth; there are numbers now joining in every land. Our missionaries are going forth to different nations, and in Germany, Palestine, New Holland, Australia, the East Indies, and other places, the Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear; till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done. [The Articles of Faith] We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on [of] hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. Respectfully, etc., Joseph Smith [illustration] This new painting of the Prophet Joseph Smith depicts what he may have looked like at age 25. The blue tie is typical of the colorful neckwear worn in his day. (Joseph Smith as a Young Man, by Gary Smith.) [photo] Written in the Prophet’s own hand or dictated, this letter was published in 1842. [illustrations] Inset: Joseph Smith Receives Stewardship of the Plates, by Gary Smith; left: The First Vision, by Ted Henninger [illustrations] Above: Mr. John Wentworth. (Etching by John C. McRae.) Right: First Church organization meeting. (Organization of the Church, by Paul Mann.) [illustration] Saints Driven from Jackson County, Missouri, by C. C. A. Christensen, © courtesy of Museum of Art, Brigham Young University, all rights reserved [illustration] Published in Nauvoo as part of the Wentworth Letter, the Articles of Faith provide strong evidence of the divine calling of the Prophet Joseph Smith. (Nauvoo, Illinois, 1859, by John Schroder.) Notes 1. History of the Church, 4:535–41. The Wentworth Letter was originally published in Nauvoo in the Times and Seasons, 1 Mar. 1842, and it also appears in A Comprehensive History of the Church, 1:55. ^ Back to top

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    Ah the Wentworth Letter. When it is published in the Ensign, I've heard it is the most requested issue. I love it. I also have a special place in my heart for the AofF, for they are what led me to the church. Will you do me a favor, when you copy/paste, will you only copy the article itself and not all the "^Back to top", "Next", "Previous" etc stuff. I'm assuming you will not stop posting lengthy articles, so at least consider doing this. Thanks.

    What do you think of my 2008 nfl mock draft?
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    1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long DE, Virginia - Parcells will want a player to start building his team around and Chris Long is the whole package. He's a hardworker, with a non-stop motor, who can get to the QB as well as stop the run. 2. St. Louis Rams - Glenn Dorsey DT, LSU - Dorsey should fit into St. Louis like a glove. Move Adam Carricker back to his original position and you have a mean DL. 3. Atlanta Falcons - Jake Long OT, Michigan - Atlanta could definitely use some OL help. Long would be a nice addition to a poor OL and should give the QB protection. 4. Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden RB, Arkansas - McFadden is just what Al Davis dreams of at night. Even though they resigned Fargas and have Rhodes, Jordan, and Bush, they still can't pass up a specimen like McFadden. Gholston could be a possibility. 5. Kansas City Chiefs - Jeff Otah OT, Pitt - Does Kansas City reach for a much needed OT or do they take the best player available? I think that they have too much of a need for an OL to not take one. Otah is the pick. 6. New York Jets - Vernon Gholston DE, Ohio State - The Jets filled most of their glaring needs in FA, so where do they go in the draft? While I would love for them to get McFadden, I just don't see him falling past Oakland. Vernon Gholston would add a lot more of a pass rush that Pace already gives. This could be a great addition for the Jets. 7. New England Patriots - Leodis McKelvin CB, Troy (Trade down) - New England still needs help in the secondary, even with the signing of Fernando Bryant. However, I believe they will find a trading partner who wants Sedrick Ellis. If they can't trade out of the spot, I think they go with McKelvin. 8. Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan QB, BC - What else could Baltimore possibly hope for than for Matt Ryan to fall into their laps? Perfect situation for the Ravens. 9. Cincinnati Bengals - Sedrick Ellis DT, USC - Whether they trade up or stay where they are, I believe they will get Ellis. If not Ellis, then definitely Keith Rivers. 10. New Orleans Saints - Keith Rivers LB, USC - The Saints don't really have too many glaring needs. They signed Randall Gay and have Mike McKenzie and Jason David. Why not grab the best LB available for the future? 11. Buffalo Bills - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB, Tennessee State - The Bills could take a WR here, but there isn't any WR really worth taking at 11. They could definitley add another CB, and why not one of the most athletic in the draft in DRC? 12. Denver Broncos - Ryan Clady OT, Boise St. - It's pretty clear the Broncos need an OT, WR, and LB. I don't see them taking a WR this early and since Keith Rivers is gone, they go with Clady. 13. Carolina Panthers - Derrick Harvey DE, Florida - The Panthers have a lot of needs. I could definitely see them taking Rashard Mendenhall, but they really need a DE and Harvey is a good one. 14. Chicago Bears - Chris Williams OT, Vanderbilt - Oh the Chicago Bears. What is the deal with them? Resigning Rex Grossman? They are shot on WR after losing Berrian, need another QB, need a lot of OL help, and need secondary help. Chris Williams is still there and you need an OL after losing Fred Miller and Reuben Brown. 15. Detroit Lions - Rashard Mendenhall RB, Illinois - While they could very well take Mike Jenkins or Aquib Talib, and do need to replace Damien Woody even though their are no more OL worth taking here, they did sign Dwight Smith and Brian Kelly, so why not take the best RB available? 16. Arizona Cardinals - Mike Jenkins CB, USF - The signing of Travis Laboy fills the need at DE. They still need help in that secondary. Mike Jenkins was once considered the best CB in the draft. They luck out with this pick. 17. Minnesota Vikings - Phillip Merling DE, Clemson - While Derrick Harvey could slip to the Vikings, I don't see it happening. The Vikes could be scared by the surgery Merling got to fix a sports hernia, but grab him anyway. 18. Houston Texans - Jonathan Stewart RB, Oregon - I was so tempted to put Godser Cherilus here, but they are bone dry at RB. Ahman Green is getting older and Darius Walker isn't the answer. Stewart would be a great steal for the Texans here. 19. Philadelphia Eagles - Kenny Phillips S, Miami - Even with the signing of Asante Samuel, they still need someone to put next to Brian Dawkins. 20. Tampa Bay Bucs - Desean Jackson WR, Cal - I think it's pretty much obvious this pick will be used on a WR. The question is which one. I think Tampa looks at the speedy, game changing Desean Jackson and use his return ability to their advantage, something that has been missing in Tampa for a long time. 21. Washington Redskins - Malcolm Kelly WR, Oklahoma - I can see Washington going for a DE here, but they still need to add a possession WR like Malcolm Kelly. They have Moss and Randle El, and Kelly would be the big WR. My other pick for the Skins would be Quentin Groves. 22. Dallas Cowboys - Aquib Talib CB, Kansas - One of Dallas' glaring needs is CB. They lost Jaque Reeves to FA and Terrence Newman can't cover everyone. Good pick with Talib here. 23. Pittsburgh Steelers - Brenden Albert OG, Virginia - This is probably one of the most unanimous picks in every mock draft. After losing Faneca to FA, the Steelers need a guard. Brandon Albert fits the bill perfectly. 24. Tennessee Titans - Limas Sweed WR, Texas - How many people have to say the Titans need a WR before they actually draft one in the 1st round? Sweed falls right into their laps and have no choice but to draft him. My other choice is Jerod Mayo. 25. Seattle Seahawks - Devin Thomas WR, Michigan St. - Not too many needs for the Seahawks. Why not add another WR to the mix? They could go TE here, but why not address it in the 2nd round. 26. Jacksonville Jaguars - Kentwan Balmer DT, UNC - With the exiting of Marcus Stroud and Bobby McCray, they need a DL. The question is, which one? I believe they could go for Calais Campbell here, but take Balmer because after Balmer, the DT talent really drops off. 27. San Diego Chargers - Godsher Cherilus OT, BC - San Diego is another team with no really glaring needs except for CB. San Diego always seems to throw a curveball of what everyone expects them to do. Godser Cherilus would shore up the OL after losing Shane Olivea. 28. Dallas Cowboys - Felix Jones RB, Arkansas - With the loss of Julius Jones and the pick of Aquib Talib 6 picks ago, they add speedy Felix Jones to the RB mix. 29. San Francisco 49ers - Quentin Groves DE, Auburn - While they did sign Justin Smith, they could still use a DE on the other side. Groves would add to the already nice pass rush of Smith and Manny Lawson. 30. Green Bay Packers - Reggie Smith CB, Oklahoma - The Pack will groom this kid to play either safety or CB. My other choice here is Brandon Flowers. 31. New England Patriots - Pick Forfeited 32. New York Giants - Jerod Mayo LB, Tennessee - After losing Kawika Mitchell, Reggie Torbor, and Gibril Wilson, they have some holes to fill. Mayo brings the combo of speed and athleticism. He is an absolute tackling machine. He's a great add to the Giants' LB core. I actually did this mock myself....no copy and paste from other sites.

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    Man what are you people GRAMMAR POLICE. you act like you never copy or pasted anything before. This isn't a term paper morons. I agree completely with your mock draft, but dont be suprised if ATL trades up for our pick just to get matt ryan and Dallas then trades with us to get Mcfadden. leaving us(DOLPHINS) with 2 late 1st round picks and 4 high 2nd round picks.

    My Updated 2008 NFL Mock Draft: Tell Me which picks you like and dislike, and the reason.?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DE Chris Long (Virginia) ATL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) OAK- DE Vernon Gholston: (OSU) KC- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- OL Brandon Albert (Virginia) BAL-QB Matt Ryan (BC) CIN- LB Keith Rivers (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy St.) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) CAR- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) CHI- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) MIN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- CB Justin King (PSU) GB- OT Sam Baker (USC) NYG- LB Dan Connor (PSU)

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    I like your selection for the Bengals. Ive always been a pretty good fan of them seeing as how most Kentucky people are. Linebacker is a huge need for them! Ever since losing Pollack and Thurman the team has went downhill. I think Rivers will be last years Willis. I dont like the pick with the Skins. They will not take receiver, as they have much more needs on defense and they ALWAYS go D. I Think they will take Calais Campbell or Quentin Groves before they take a receiver. Im not sure about Kansas Citys pick either. I think they go corner because of Herm being a former DB in the NFL and they lose Ty Law. Herms ignorant! Either way, they will go Defense.

    My 2008 Updated NFL Mock Draft: What picks do you like and what changes would you make??
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DE Chris Long (Virginia) ATL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) OAK- DE Vernon Gholston: (OSU) KC- OG Brandon Albert (Virginia) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- LB Keith Rivers (USC) BAL- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) CIN- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy St.) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) CAR- QB Matt Ryan (BC) CHI- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) MIN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) DAL- CB Justin King (PSU) SF- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) GB- OT Sam Baker (USC) NYG- LB Dan Connor (PSU)

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    I'll give it another go....with the same answer from before... Hmm...a lotta lineman going early but hey, the game is won in the trenches so I won't argue with you. Your top 4 I agree with but KC might be stretching taking Brandon Albert so high. Then again, who else is available that they would want? If the top 5 plays out that way, then yes, the Jets will take McFadden. Keith Rivers is not a a #7 pick, he's hasn't been consistent enough. The Pats will take Leodis McKelvin. Baltimore may take Matt Ryan at #8, he's not worth a #1 pick but he's definately worth it at #8. I hope that doesn't happen tho, I like Troy Smith in Baltimore (i know, I'm crazy, but he's not awful). With Mckelvin gone, the Saints will take Rodgers-Cromartie. Buffalo would be crazy to miss out on Clady since Baltimore took Ryan earlier (this is just my take on it). Moving pass Denver, Carolina obviously can't have Ryan and they won't take any other QB at this spot, they might trade out or stretch and take Derrick Harvey. It's safe to go with the d-line and maybe put some pressure on Peppers to produce more. Moving down to Minnesota, with Harvey gone, and an AWFUL passing defense (except versus NY) they will select Aqib Talib. With Talib gone, Houston may wanna join the fad and start loading up on defensive ends. In a division with 2 mobile QB's and Peyton Manning, why not have some1 to complement Mario Williams? Calais Campbell could be the pick here. I see Tampa trying to get more explosive on the outisde, it's hard to see Devin Thomas going over Sweed but Sweed doesn't have the burst off the line, so I say craziest pick is Thomas going to Tampa. Johnathan Stewart to Dallas San Diego does not need another defensive end. I think they need a second running back and Felix Jones is the second craziest pick of the draft. San Fran needs a reciever bad and Sweed is the only legit talent left. Ugh, I don't like Connor at all but we need depth at linebacker, so I agree.

    My Updated 2008 NFL Mock Draft: What picks do you like and what changes would you make?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DE Chris Long (Virginia) ATL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) OAK- DE Vernon Gholston: (OSU) KC- OL Jeff Otah (PIT) (Will try and trade down if possible.) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy St.) BAL- QB Matt Ryan (Boston College) CIN- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NO- LB Keith Rivers (USC) BUF- CB DRC (Tennesee St.) DEN- OT Ryan Clady: (Boise State) CAR- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) CHI- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- RB Felix Jones (Arkansas) MIN- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) TAM- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) WAS- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clem) DAL- RB Jonathon Stewart (Oregon) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- OG Brandon Albert (Virginia) SD- DE Calais Cambell (MIA) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) GB- Mike Jenkins (USF) NYG- Justin King (PSU)

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    If Atlanta doesn't draft Matt Ryan then they will be the same as last year, maybe worse... I think Oakland will take Dorsey. Ryan Clady is a better player than Jeff Otah. Detroit has more pressing needs at O-Line and especially D-Line... Vikings will take a DE and it will either be Harvey or Campbell. Houston needs to protect Schuab and their offense will be great. Gosder Cherilus is their man. Tampa won't take Phillips, corner and wideout are much more important so I think Malcolm Kelly maybe who they target bc his tall lanky frmae and long arms complement Galloway's speed... Washington has to fix their WR problem and help take Jason Campbell to the next level. They will take Desean Jackson.... Jonathon Stewart is a power back. Marion Barber is a power back. This pick wouldn't make sense. If Felix Jones isn't there they will grab a WR and a CB. In this case they take Mike Jenkins. Pittsburgh will take Brandon Albert. He is versatile and would be a potential steal this low... Limas Sweed is destined to reunite with Vince in Tennessee.... San Diego will solidfy their defense with Dan Connor to shore up their inside LB position. San Fransico will probably go a different route but I like this pick. The only other guy I can think of to go here is Jerrod Mayo... I think Green Bay will take Sam Baker and make Rodgers' transition that much easier... Kenny Phillips will go to the Giants.

    My Updated 2008 NFL Draft: What would you change, and what picks do you like and why?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DE Chris Long (Virginia) ATL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) OAK- DE Vernon Gholston: (OSU) KC- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- OL Brandon Albert (Virginia) BAL-QB Matt Ryan (BC) CIN- LB Keith Rivers (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy St.) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) CAR- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) CHI- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) MIN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clemson) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) GB- OT Sam Baker (USC) NYG- LB Dan Connor (PSU

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    1 (1) Miami Dolphins Matt Ryan QB Boston College 2 (2) St Louis Rams Chris Long DE Virginia 3 (3) Atlanta Falcons Glenn Dorsey DT LSU 4 (4) Oakland Raiders Darren McFadden RB Arkansas 5 (5) Kansas City Chiefs Jake Long OT Michigan 6 (6) New York Jets Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State 7 (7) New England Patriots Keith Rivers OLB Southern Cal 8 (8) Baltimore Ravens Leodis McKelvin CB Troy 9 (9) Cincinnati Bengals Sedrick Ellis DT Southern Cal 10 (10) New Orleans Saints Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee St. 11 (11) Buffalo Bills Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina 12 (12) Denver Broncos Ryan Clady OT Boise State 13 (13) Carolina Panthers Derrick Harvey DE Florida 14 (14) Chicago Bears Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt 15 (15) Detroit Lions Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois 16 (16) Arizona Cardinals Mike Jenkins CB South Florida 17 (17) Minnesota Vikings Limas Sweed WR Texas 18 (18) Houston Texans Branden Albert OG Virginia 19 (19) Philadelphia Eagles Calais Campbell DE Miami-FL 20 (20) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Antoine Cason CB Arizona 21 (21) Washington Redskins Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh 22 (22) Dallas Cowboys Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon 23 (23) Pittsburgh Steelers Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College 24 (24) Tennessee Titans Devin Thomas WR Michigan State 25 (25) Seattle Seahawks Phillip Merling DE Clemson 26 (26) Jacksonville Jaguars DeSean Jackson WR California 27 (27) San Diego Chargers Quentin Groves DE Auburn 28 (28) Dallas Cowboys Kenny Phillips FS Miami-FL 29 (29) San Francisco 49ers Brian Brohm QB Louisville 30 (30) Green Bay Packers Aqib Talib CB Kansas 31 (31) New England Patriots Pick forfeited 32 (32) New York Giants DaJuan Morgan SS NC State I like your list, but I think with list I provided the specific teams I named need those players to make an immediate impact!!

    My VERY New Updated NFL Mock Draft: Tell me which picks you like, and also the ones you dislike and the reason
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) ATL- QB Matt Ryan (BC) OAK- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) KC- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NYJ- DE Chris Long (Virginia) NE- LB/DE Vernon Gholston (OSU) BAL- OT Ryan Clady (Boise St.) CIN- LB Keith Rivers (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) CAR- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) CHI- OL Branden Albert (Virginia) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) MIN- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clemson) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- RB Jonathan Stewart (Oregon) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) GB- OT Sam Baker (USC) NYG- LB Dan Connor (PSU)

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    there is a few things that are off but mostly its somewhat good.long at number 1 isnt the right pick but at this point who knows.chris long wont fall that far down to 6th.and denver needs offensive line not defensive.and it dt if they do go in that direction.tampa wont go with jackson they dont need wr until later mayb 2nd round.phi isnt goin with phillips its not a position they badly need rather than wr.dallas they want an arkansas bak and with mcfadden gone its goin to be felix jones.san diego has one of the best secondary already and mike jenkins wont go to them.mayb to tampa or washington.

    My Updated 2008 NFL Mock Draft: Tell me which picks you like and dislike, and reason.?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DE Chris Long (Virginia) ATL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) OAK- DE Vernon Gholston: (OSU) KC- OG Brandon Albert (Virginia) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- LB Keith Rivers (USC) BAL- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) CIN- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy St.) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) CAR- QB Matt Ryan (BC) CHI- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) MIN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) DAL- CB Justin King (PSU) SF- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) GB- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) NYG- LB Dan Connor

    Answer:
    you have mike jenkins going twice dude. I'll have the rest of my answer in a bit... Hmm...a lotta lineman going early but hey, the game is won in the trenches so I won't argue with you. Your top 4 I agree with but KC might be stretching taking Brandon Albert so high. Then again, who else is available that they would want? If the top 5 plays out that way, then yes, the Jets will take McFadden. Keith Rivers is not a a #7 pick, he's hasn't been consistent enough. The Pats will take Leodis McKelvin. Baltimore may take Matt Ryan at #8, he's not worth a #1 pick but he's definately worth it at #8. I hope that doesn't happen tho, I like Troy Smith in Baltimore (i know, I'm crazy, but he's not awful). With Mckelvin gone, the Saints will take Rodgers-Cromartie. Buffalo would be crazy to miss out on Clady since Baltimore took Ryan earlier (this is just my take on it). Moving pass Denver, Carolina obviously can't have Ryan and they won't take any other QB at this spot, they might trade out or stretch and take Derrick Harvey. It's safe to go with the d-line and maybe put some pressure on Peppers to produce more. Moving down to Minnesota, with Harvey gone, and an AWFUL passing defense (except versus NY) they will select Aqib Talib. With Talib gone, Houston may wanna join the fad and start loading up on defensive ends. In a division with 2 mobile QB's and Peyton Manning, why not have some1 to complement Mario Williams? Calais Campbell could be the pick here. I see Tampa trying to get more explosive on the outisde, it's hard to see Devin Thomas going over Sweed but Sweed doesn't have the burst off the line, so I say craziest pick is Thomas going to Tampa. Johnathan Stewart to Dallas San Diego does not need another defensive end. I think they need a second running back and Felix Jones is the second craziest pick of the draft. San Fran needs a reciever bad and Sweed is the only legit talent left. Ugh, I don't like Connor at all but we need depth at linebacker, so I agree.

    My VERY New Final Updated 2008 NFL Mock Draft: Tell me which picks you like and dislike. Thanks!?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) ATL- QB Matt Ryan (BC) OAK- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) KC- DE Chris Long (Virginia) NYJ- LB/DE Vernon Gholston (OSU) NE- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) BAL- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy) CIN- LB Keith Rivers (USC) NO- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) BUF- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) DEN- OT Ryan Clady (Boise St.) CAR- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) CHI- OL Branden Albert (Virginia) DET- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) ARZ- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) KC- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) TAM- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) WAS- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clemson) DAL- RB Jonathan Stewart (Oregon) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) SD- RB Felix Jones (Ark.) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Auburn) GB- OT Sam Baker (USC) NYG- S Kenny Phillips (Mia)

    Answer:
    I like everything except Mcfadden. There's a ton of speculation that since Al Davis always takes the flashiest player available, Mcfadden's the pick. Lane Kiffin has to know what he's talking about when he says the raiders might be looking to trade down or when he says that they're not looking for a running back. They have Justin Fargas, Dominic Rhodes, Lamont Jordan, and Michael Bush. They just signed Fargas to an extension and Bush would have been picked higher last year if he hadn't gotten hurt in his senior season. They will probably take Chris Long who is the best defensive player available (and arguably in the whole draft). Not to mention his pedigree from his father Howie.

    My VERY New 2008 NFL Mock Draft: Tell me which picks you like and dislike and the reason...?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) ATL- QB Matt Ryan (BC) OAK- DE Chris Long (Virginia) KC- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- LB Keith Rivers (USC) BAL- OT Ryan Clady CIN- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- LB Keith Rivers (USC) CAR- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) CHI- OL Branden Albert (Virginia) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) MIN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clemson) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- RB Jonathan Stewart (Oregon) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) GB- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) NYG- LB Dan Connor (PSU

    Answer:
    Dislike: Dorsey at 2. Rams are moving to a 3-4 and need a pass rushing end more because they picked Carricker as a 3-4 DE last year, They'll go Long IMO. Clady at 8. He already went to KC. But he wouldn't slip past them unless Jake Long fell to KC. Rivers at 12. Already went to NE, or NO if he drops past the Pats. Broncos are looking for a MLB, and Rivers has basically the same skils set DJ Williams. Otah at 14. Chris Williams is a better T, and I honestly don't believe the Panters need another OT that badly. I expect them to trade down and pick Kenny Phillips or a DE to replace Rucker. Merling at 20. Bucs have other needs, like CB and WR. They could stretch for a CB or WR here, at leats I could see that before DE. Groves, Mayo, and Campbell aren't first rounders IMO. Like: McKelvin at 10. He's the best CB in the class, but DRC has likely surpassed him in hype. However, Saints took hype over ability with Reggie Bush. But picking top 3 and top 10 is very different, too, Albert at 15. He's going to be a great G one day. Very athletic and perfect to build a young OL around.

    My Mock Draft: What Do You Think?
    Question:
    1.Miami Long, Jake OT, Michigan 2 St. Louis Long, Chris DE, Virginia 3 Atlanta Albert, Branden OG, Virginia 4 Oakland McFadden, Darren RB, Arkansas 5 Kansas City Dorsey, Glenn DT, LSU 6 New York Gholston, Vernon DE, Ohio State 7 New England McKelvin, Leodis CB, Troy 8 Baltimore Ryan, Matt QB, Boston College 9 Cincinnati Rivers, Keith OLB, Southern Cal 10 New Orleans Ellis, Sedrick DT, Southern Cal 12 Denver Clady, Ryan OT, Boise State 13 Carolina Merling, Phillip DE, Clemson 14 Chicago Williams, Chris OT, Vanderbilt 15 Detroit Brohm, Brian QB, Louisville 16 Arizona Mendenhall, Rashard RB, Illinois 17 Kansas City Otah, Jeff OT, Pittsburgh 18 Houston Flowers, Brandon CB, Virginia Tech 19 Philadelphia Doucet, Early WR, LSU 20 Tampa Bay Thomas, Devin WR, Michigan State 21 Washington Phillips, Kenny FS, Miami 22 Dallas Rodgers-Cromartie, D. CB, Tennessee State 23 Pittsburgh Stewart, Jonathan RB, Oregon 24 Tennessee Sweed, Limas WR, Texas 25 Seattle Davis, Fred TE, Southern Cal 26 Jacksonville Campbell, Calais DE, Miami 27 San Diego Connor, Dan ILB, Penn State 28 Dallas Jackson, DeSean WR, California 29 San Francisco Groves, Quentin OLB, Auburn 30 Green Bay Talib, Aqib CB, Kansas 31 New York Balmer, Kentwan If you dont like a pick tell me why and who should go there. I put albert 3rd because atl could use some o-line help and he is a safe pick just like jake long was and he can play most of the o-line positions.

    Answer:
    I'll just go through the guys you have tabbed as 1st rounders who almost definitely will not be picked in the 1st round. Calais Campbell had a HORRIBLE combine/pro day. He's fat, unmotivated, and out of shape. He's now considered about a 3rd or 4th round pick. Brandon Flowers has character issues. He'll probably be picked in the 2nd round for that reason. Early Doucet won't go in the 1st round either. He lacks the explosiveness to be anything more than a good #3 receiver at the next level, so he isn't worth a 1st round pick. Fred Davis is too inconsistent to warrant a 1st round grade. Other than that, I like your draft pretty well. I think you've bought into the Brandon Albert hype a little too much. I doubt he'll go quite so soon, even though there is a lot of hype about him right now.

    My Updated 2008 NFL Mock Draft: What picks do you like and what changes would you make?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DE Chris Long (Virginia) ATL- QB Matt Ryan (BC) OAK- DE Vernon Gholston: (OSU) KC- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy St.) BAL- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) CIN- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NO- LB Keith Rivers (USC) BUF- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) DEN- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) CAR- OG Brandon Albert (Virginia) CHI- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- RB Felix Jones (Arkansas) MIN- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clemson) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- WR Devin Thomas (MSU) TAM- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- WR Malcolm Kelly (Oklahoma) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) SD- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) GB- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) NYG- S Kenny Phillips (Mia)

    Answer:
    I think NE may trade down and if they don't, I don't know that they pick a CB for the fact that they have done very well selecting CB's in the latter rounds of the draft. Asante Samuel for example was a 4th round pick. I personally believe they will draft Keith Rivers. Buffalo could pick Harvey because they are a very unpredictable team. I have them selecting Devin Thomas from Michigan St. Denver at 12 I think will take Branden Albert. He has climbed up draft boards and could potentially be the 2nd OL drafted. I don't see Arizona taking Felix Jones. Yes they need insurance behind Edgerrin James, but if they're going to take a RB, I think it would be Jonathan Stewart. I have them taking Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in my mock draft. Eric Green and Roderick Hood definitely are not shutdown corners by any means. Antrel Rolle is moving to Safety so they need a CB. I like the Vikes taking Phillip Merling. I don't believe Philly will be taking a WR in the 1st round. They rarely ever take a WR in the 1st round and the Eagles have said that they are happy with their WR's. Who knows, maybe they will pull a fast one and take a WR. Malcolm Kelly will fall out of the 1st round. He ran terribly at his pro day with a 40 time of 4.68. I think if Mike Jenkins is there, they'll take him #22. Aquib Talib's stock is also dropping due to testing positive for marajuana. Other than that it looks pretty solid. Good luck with your picks.

    My VERY New 2008 NFL Mock Draft: Tell me which picks you like and dislike and the reason.?
    Question:
    MIA- OT Jake Long (Mich.) STL- DT Glenn Dorsey (LSU) ATL- QB Matt Ryan (BC) OAK- DE Chris Long (Virginia) KC- OT Ryan Clady (Boise State) NYJ- RB Darren McFadden (Arkansas) NE- LB/DE Vernon Gholston (OSU) BAL- OT Ryan Clady (Boise St.) CIN- DT Sedrick Ellis (USC) NO- CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy) BUF- CB Dominuqe Rodgers-Cromartie (Tenn. St.) DEN- LB Keith Rivers (USC) CAR- OL Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) CHI- OL Branden Albert (Virginia) DET- RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) ARZ- OL Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) MIN- DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) HOU- CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) PHI- S Kenny Phillips (Mia) TAM- DE/DT Phillip Merling (Clemson) WAS- WR Limas Sweed (Texas) DAL- RB Jonathan Stewart (Oregon) PIT- OL Gosder Cherilus (BC) TEN- WR DeSean Jackson (Cal) SEA- DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC) JAC- DE/LB Quentin Groves (Aub) SD- CB Mike Jenkins (USF) DAL- CB Brandon Flowers (VT) SF- LB Jerod Mayo (Tenn.) GB- DE Calais Cambell (Mia) NYG- LB Dan Connor (PSU)

    Answer:
    i like the fact that Chris Long goes to the Raiders , first cause the Raiders help help of the defensive line and second he is the son of Howie Long a former Raider who is in the Hall of fame


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